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      <description>&lt;p&gt;Tough call man.  Having paying clients saying no is pretty hard not to listen to.  The whole hacker to contributor ratio thing will always play a big part of open source FI projects.  The payoff for hackers to hit relatively little known &lt;span class="caps"&gt;OSS&lt;/span&gt; in use at FI&amp;#8217;s is very large, much more so then most other &lt;span class="caps"&gt;OSS&lt;/span&gt; projects.  We need to figure out a cost effective way to build up an &lt;span class="caps"&gt;OSS&lt;/span&gt; project securely for use in CU&amp;#8217;s.  That might consist of like minded individuals and companies being collaborative to start a project, some type of limited-release, invitation-only phase, followed up by massive third party security audits and then maybe general public release.  But who knows.  We&amp;#8217;re in a little bit of uncharted territory here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;Matt,&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Our campfire chat today really helped to clear some things up for me.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;I now better understand that your primary concern is to provide a consistently secure &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CMS&lt;/span&gt; for your clients. From the conversation I agree simply releasing your code into the wild would cause an initial dip in the overall security of the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CMS&lt;/span&gt; for a season. I understand that it&amp;#8217;s a dip that your clients can ill afford and one that Trabian cannot focus the resources on to combat. In fact, it&amp;#8217;s a dip that is just unacceptable in the financial industry.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;This doesn&amp;#8217;t mean that mature open source software can&amp;#8217;t have a home (and be secure) in financial institutions. However, the current path to a mature open source app is not one that keeps security at a high enough level to pursue in some mission critical financial applications.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;My thoughts are best summarized by the following statement from todays chat:&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;
I believe that a mature open source &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CMS&lt;/span&gt; (or any FI software) can be every bit as secure (if not more secure) than a proprietary one. However, the process of opening that source, can provide a season of lessened security and increased administrative strain on the original proprietor of the code.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;I am interested in discussing ways the community can help lessen the security drop off and administrative woes for companies that would consider open sourcing their code.
&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#8217;m glad you guys have been so willing to discuss your thoughts and feelings during this process. I understand the motivations behind your decision and wish continued success with your &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CMS&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#8217;ve followed up with some thoughts on my own blog with ideas on how the community and industry can make the open sourcing process more secure and less painful and I would love any additional insight you have on the matter.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.markmcspadden.net/2008/6/27/open-sourcing-your-software-in-the-financial-industry' rel="nofollow"&gt;More thoughts on Open Sourcing your Software in the Financial Industry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Thanks again for the great discussion.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;PS. Blogs work. :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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      <title>"A Tough Decision About Our CMS (Updated)" by Matt Dean</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Mark, I certainly appreciate your comment and realize that I should have expanded on this post a bit more.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;As I alluded to with my mention of Linux and MySQL above, there are several well-known open source projects that have done phenomenally well using an open source model.  &lt;a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus%27s_law' rel="nofollow"&gt;Linus&amp;#8217;s Law&lt;/a&gt; holds true&amp;#8212;&amp;#8220;given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.&amp;#8221;  We love Ruby, Rails, MySQL, Linux, and other well-known open source projects and use them to drive our product, so it would be hypocritical to say that open source projects didn&amp;#8217;t create value.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;So yes&amp;#8212;given enough time and resources on our part to both support and manage the code contributions of a community surrounding an open &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CMS&lt;/span&gt; project, we could end up with both a more robust and more secure system.  That was the original plan, but the reality is that currently doesn&amp;#8217;t make sense for us to devote the resources to push an open source project to the point where &amp;#8220;enough eyeballs&amp;#8221; compensates for the loss of the layer of &lt;a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity' rel="nofollow"&gt;security through obscurity&lt;/a&gt; (however thin it is).&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;If we were producing a &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CMS&lt;/span&gt; for other industries then I would have been passing out a link to our source code repository months ago.  But as Shari Storm at Verity CU can tell you, a hacked website can mean bad news for members (their online banking login was hacked and members were submitting their usernames and passwords to someone overseas&amp;#8212;this wasn&amp;#8217;t a Trabian site, by the way, and Shari posted about it on their blog when it happened so I&amp;#8217;m not sharing any secrets here).&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;I would love to open source a system that was used for less risky and mission-critical purposes within a CU, and hopefully we&amp;#8217;ll get a chance to do so in the future (nothing specific in mind for now).&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;What I failed to make clear in my post is that this is an issue of where Trabian is right now and where we&amp;#8217;re willing to focus our efforts, but I realize now that I painted too broad of a picture.  So here&amp;#8217;s what I&amp;#8217;d like to do: let&amp;#8217;s chat about this over Campfire and talk about both sides of the issue.  For now, I&amp;#8217;ll put an update at the top of the post expanding on it briefly, then after the chat I&amp;#8217;ll add any thoughts from the conversation.  The overarching message still stands though&amp;#8212;the security concerns of our clients are valid given the potential harm a hacker can inflict (particularly with online banking logins on their site), and it doesn&amp;#8217;t make financial sense for us to devote the time to oversight of community-submitted code.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Thanks again for being willing to comment. I saw your &lt;a href='http://twitter.com/markmcspadden/statuses/843968712' rel="nofollow"&gt;Twitter post&lt;/a&gt; about writing a comment to a blog post and thought this one might have been the target!  That&amp;#8217;s what this blog is for &amp;#8211; expanding on ideas.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Update: Mark brought up some interesting points in his comment (see below), and while the overarching message of this post still stands, I didn&amp;#8217;t intend to discourage the use of open source software throughout a credit union. Mark and I will be discussing this issue tomorrow (Friday the 27th) from 3 to 5 &lt;span class="caps"&gt;EST&lt;/span&gt; in the &lt;a href="/pages/chat" class="toggle_chat_info"&gt;chat with the ceo&lt;/a&gt; chat room if you&amp;#8217;d like to drop by!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;For the past six months our team has been hard at work rewriting the content management system that runs all of the websites we produce.  While we still have quite a few improvements in store for our &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CMS&lt;/span&gt;, we&amp;#8217;ve launched several sites on it in the past couple of months and are finally ready to wean ourselves off of the Red Bull.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, during the rewrite it became clear that we&amp;#8217;re not ready to open source the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CMS&lt;/span&gt; as we had &lt;a href="/articles/2007/03/08/were-open-sourcing-our-content-management-system"&gt;promised earlier&lt;/a&gt;.  A few of our clients have raised legitimate concerns about the vulnerability of a system whose source code is exposed to the public, particularly one without the developer base of software such as Linux or MySQL, and we certainly don&amp;#8217;t want to put those clients at risk in any way.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;While we have decided not to release our source code, we do plan to share snippets of code that we&amp;#8217;ve found helpful and perhaps release some plugins that other developers can use in their Rails projects.  We&amp;#8217;re also happy to answer any Rails questions you may have, either via email at &lt;a href="mailto:development@trabian.com"&gt;development@trabian.com&lt;/a&gt; or in a &lt;a href="/pages/chat"&gt;Campfire chat with your development team&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;If you have any questions about this decision, please feel free to email me at &lt;a href="mailto:matt@trabian.com"&gt;matt@trabian.com&lt;/a&gt; or meet me in my &lt;a href="/pages/chat"&gt;daily Campfire chat&lt;/a&gt; between 3 and 4 pm &lt;span class="caps"&gt;EST&lt;/span&gt; on weekdays.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your understanding!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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